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The value of vintage: what’s it worth?

Monday, October 24th, 2011

This post is one we have been thinking about for a while but have only just got round to composing and (if you’re reading this) publishing. It’s about the relative value of vintage from the perspective of  a frockophile who turned a passion for collecting and wearing ‘old clothes’ into a business. Since the aforesaid collecting habit had taken over most of the house, it was either that or divorce, and it’s therefore gratifying to report at this juncture that the frockers are still happily hitched!

A couple of red wine fuelled ‘confessionals’ with fellow business owners at a recent social gathering caused us to reflect on our own steep learning curve since starting out. Back in 2007, we not only had lofty ambitions to be a more affordable alternative to existing vintage stores which we felt were a tad overpriced, but we were also keen to offer quality preloved contemporary clothing because our own wardrobe was not exclusively vintage and our focus was on sustainability as well as style. We saw our recycling model as a timely antidote to the rash of fast fashion that seemed to be sweeping the nation and which greatly offended our green sensibilities. So far so good.

Still mulling over the frockers’ progress, which has not been without bumps in the road, we happened upon this blog post in which the author considers the value of vintage fashion and, specifically, its pricing in the marketplace. The post was interesting from a personal point of view, not just because it linked to one of our frocks, but also because it mentioned Portobello Road market, one of our very favourite places (although it’s not what it used to be, thanks to the encroachment of developers, and is indeed now fighting for its very survival).

We visit London as often as possible (more regularly now that our daughter lives there – that’s her on our website top banner!) and it invariably turns into a busman’s holiday as we trek around vintage markets and shops to see what’s on offer. Some of the prices can certainly be eye-watering, but we imagine the rents, pitches and other overheads must be equally eye-watering for the traders. Not to mention the cost of living generally.

Living in Notting Hill in the 80s, when vintage was still very much a minority sport and Hugh Grant and Julia Roberts hadn’t yet sent local property prices into the stratosphere, the future chief frocker’s passion for all things retro was confirmed on Portobello Road and further nurtured at nearby Kensington Market. Back in ’81, while her work colleagues headed to Harrods to spend suitably big bucks on posh frocks for an event where they were to be presented to the Queen (as patron of their employing organisation), Alison bought a vintage black velvet gown for a tenner at Kensington Market, having fallen in love with it at first sight. She still owns it, and despite it now being several sizes too small, will never part with it. That was to be the story of her life, which eventually led to frocking for a living and loving it!

But back to the salient point of that blog post, where the author ponders the price of vintage clothing after a shocking encounter with an especially expensive frock down the market. As a vintage aficionada and aspiring trader with frugal frocking tendencies, she speculates on the extent to which greed might play a part in pricing. She also wonders, quite reasonably, whether it might be wiser from a self preservation point of view to price items in line with those of other sellers rather than undercut them and risk suffering a damaging blow in the popularity stakes.

That conundrum took us right back to our own early business planning days and we’re the first to admit that when we started out our pricing was a bit haphazard. In our quest to keep prices low, our mark-up was based simply on what we had originally paid for our stock (sometimes years ago) or, in the case of consignment customers, a mutually agreed selling price. Hindsight is a great thing and, if we are being completely honest, we failed to properly analyse all the other costs associated with running our business as we were first and foremost in it for the love rather than the money. Although our overheads were low, and still are, they all need to be factored in to maintain a degree of solvency and keep us in wine!

Our pricing is now a rather more sophisticated process based on a combination of factors, including the condition, era, size, style, label and current market desirability of our stock, rather than just a straight mark-up on what we  originally paid for it. We also factor in the other overheads like website running costs, rent and storage, sourcing costs, postage and packaging, marketing, administration and compliance with all the legal aspects of running an ecommerce business such as the distance selling regulations.

Selling one of your own old frocks on ebay is a fairly simple exercise, but moving up a gear to buy and resell multiple frocks means you are no longer a private seller and automatically acquire legal liabilities, all of which need to be costed and met from your profits. Contrary to the head-in-the-sand belief of some sellers on ebay and elsewhere, that includes accepting returns of online purchases whether you like it or not!

By way of exemplifying relative value, we sold a vintage 70s John Charles cocktail dress earlier this year for £28. It was a real head turner, in very good but not mint condition, and it lasted less than 24 hours on our website before winging its way off to a new home. Imagine our surprise when, shortly afterwards, we coincidentally came across the same dress in a different colour on sale for a staggering £249 while randomly browsing another vintage site (as you do in this business!)  We were frankly astonished because, gorgeous as the dress was, it was not (in our opinion) worth such a massive price tag by any stretch of the imagination. We know we’re Scottish, but seriously…

While there are undoubtedly big price discrepancies in the vintage fashion business, at the same time there are so many variables involved that ‘fair’ and consistent pricing is essentially a difficult balancing act. Bricks and mortar shops, market pitches and online stores all have different fixed overheads to factor into the equation just to break even, and then there are other important elements to cost, like that bottomless money pit also known as a marketing budget so that prospective customers can actually find your wares.

These things are all expensive, as increasingly grumpy ebay sellers will testify, given that their ever-rising fees are inextricably  linked to the significant overheads incurred by the giant platform as it seeks to maintain its place as market leader. While greed is undoubtedly a prime motivating factor for some, from corporate giants like ebay and Google right down to the smallest bedroom-based entrepreneurs, it is just one element of a highly complicated mix.

In order to survive, as well as eat, all business owners need to turn a profit (hardly rocket science!) but we frockers are committed to keeping affordability and sustainability at the heart of ours. In fact, such is the emotional investment in our micro business, we’d definitely be doing something else if we wanted to make serious money!

Once the poor relation, vintage has finally succeeded in throwing off its musty old image (with a bit of help from Lily Allen et al) to become a celebrated subset of mainstream fashion. As such, it is inevitably attracting its share of sharks and opportunists who will always find a way to make a fast buck and excessive profits from whatever they see as being ripe for exploitation (think Portobello Road and developers). We can only hope that they will eventually move on to the next big thing, but we’re not holding our breath.

It never used to be so, but just like Notting Hill property, vintage prices seem to be spiralling ever upwards and there will always be people with more money than sense. In the meantime, we’ll just carry on regardless, vaunting the vintage, rocking the retro and celebrating the second hand, all the while sticking to the same slow fashion principles on which the Frockery was first founded.

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Lucy in disguise or pie in the sky?

Wednesday, March 23rd, 2011

So who else is watching Lily Allen’s From Riches to Rags story on Channel 4? We tuned in to see what all the fuss was about as we had read about Lucy in Disguise when it was launched as part of Vintage at Goodwood last summer. Aside from the initial blaze of publicity and a few follow up stories in some glossies, we hadn’t heard much about it since.

The idea of hiring, rather than buying, high end vintage apparel for special occasions certainly sounds an interesting one in principle. Moss Bros has shown for the past 160 years that garment hire works as a concept, and numerous designer dress and bag hire shops have popped up in more recent times, so why not vintage?

Sadly, Lily and her sister seem ill prepared for the challenges of setting up a new business in a sector of which neither has had any experience. At least they were honest about that from the outset and sensibly hired themselves a couple of experts, but throwing money down a black hole without a proper plan is inevitably going to end in tears. And there were more than a few of them from Lily when feedback from Mary Portas and a focus group of consumers was  brutally honest about the concept, and especially the pricing, in the first episode.

The two episodes to date have not shown the project in a particularly good light and we can only hope it gets better. Storing couture vintage clothing  in a smoke filled room which doubles as an office is nothing short of criminal – indeed is it not now a crime to smoke in office premises? –  and will obviously be offputting to prospective customers, smokers and non smokers alike. Similarly, going off on buying sprees without customers or suitable premises on the immediate horizon is an especially perilous pursuit in the current economic climate as it will kill the cashflow stone dead. Enthusiasm for your product is no substitute for the hard work of marketing and selling it at the right price, preferably before your capital runs out!

We’ll continue to follow Lily’s  progress (or otherwise) as it makes entertaining viewing, if a bit ‘car crash’ at times. As fellow vintage enthusiasts, albeit on a smaller and much more affordable scale, we wish her every success, but we’re very glad she has a fall back position in that she can sing!

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Frockery fashionistas strut their stuff

Sunday, July 4th, 2010

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The Frockery turned out on 3rd July along with some of Scotland’s finest vintage venturers for a vintage and retro related jamboree in Kirkcaldy, hosted by the Joint Regonal Development Trust to raise funds for the B-eat Charity which supports people with eating disorders.

Alongside stalls aplenty selling clothing, millinery, jewellery and home wares, the Green Cockatoo tea room served up welcome sustenance in truly traditional style, while music from down the decades complemented the atmosphere of the day.

The highlight for us was the afternoon catwalk show which featured pieces from some of the stallholders, including the Frockery. The young models showed the clothes off to great effect as they strutted their stuff across the stage, showcasing outfits from the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.

It was an exhausting day, but we thoroughly enjoyed it, met some lovely people and acquired a few new customers. Take a bow, Hazel Kelly, for putting together such a successful event for such a worthy cause.

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Ashes to Ashes, the finale

Wednesday, May 26th, 2010

Whatever will we do on a Friday night now that Ashes to Ashes has ended? The finale was so good we had to watch it twice! Shame about the Quattro, but oh what a poignant episode as all the loose ends from Life on Mars and the previous two Ashes series were tied up (sort of).

These two popular BBC series have undoubtedly helped fuel a 70s and 80s retro revival as cast members flaunted the fashions of the decades that good taste forgot without a hint of embarrassment. We have some fab retro leather jacket in stock and a selection of 70s dresses for which sunglasses may be required! And while Alex Drake tottered about in high heels like these and donned highly impractical white leather gear and some distinctly dodgy off the shoulder numbers for work as a DI at Fenchurch East, Ray seemed almost surgically attached to his leather bomber jacket. Those were the days…

As a consolation, Gok’s Fashion Fix is back and got off to a flying start last night on Channel 4 with the “buy less, wear more” message. He is a savvy stylist who, we are pleased to say, recognises the potential of vintage pieces to personalise an ordinary high street outfit. Brix Smith-Start, the designer junkie he vies with every week to win over an audience with his high street chic, may have her work cut out this series as we are all having our belts forcibly tightened to reduce the domestic deficit and won’t have the budget for many (or even any) £800 dresses. The solution is to shop smart at stores like The Frockery – but we would say that, wouldn’t we?

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New arrivals

Tuesday, March 23rd, 2010

We have just added a few more pieces to the catalogue, including a beautiful 1970s Marion Donaldson deep red velvet and lace dress and the cutest retro red pleated skirt from Clockhouse.

We also have quite  number of Laura Ashley summer dresses in stock, mostly size 8/10, which will be making their way onto the website in the next week or so, as well as a selection of scarves, shoes and accessories to put some spring into your wardrobe.

And don’t forget that Ashes to Ashes is back for its third series starting Friday 2nd  April! We are all looking forward to revisiting the 80s and catching up with our favourite Gene Genie.

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Busy busy busy!

Friday, March 12th, 2010

We have been missing in action on the Frockery Talk front lately as it has been so busy here. We have, however, been enjoying modest success in matching items to customers’ requests, although some we are unfortunately unable to fulfil.

This week we have been sorting through lovely Laura Ashley dresses, cowboy shirts and a selection of trench coats, all of which should soon be making an appearance in the catalogue. We have also just taken delivery of a beautiful vintage 1970s dress by Marion Donaldson, one of our favourite designers. And just how cute are these 80s pink court shoes?

Our new website is still at the planning stage, but we are making progress. Thanks to all who have contributed suggestions for additions and improvements, either directly or via Twitter. We are hoping to launch a brand new site by the summer and it’s all very exciting!

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You can’t go wrong!

Thursday, September 24th, 2009

We have been quiet on the frock talk front due to being so very busy over the past few weeks. While the recession is undoubtedly causing many people to rethink their spending habits, The Frockery remains an ever popular choice for eco friendly fashionistas on a budget who demand value for money without compromising on style.

We just love the uniqueness of vintage pieces but we also enjoy rehoming quality contemporary items, many of which have never been worn by their original owners. With most of our dresses under £20 and a full catalogue of vintage, retro and recycled fashion to choose from, you can’t go wrong!

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Ashes to Ashes fuels 80s fashion revival

Monday, May 11th, 2009

At last the sun is breaking through in this corner of north east Scotland. Let’s hope it lasts so that we can give the woolly jumpers a bit of a rest.

It’s been a busy couple of weeks, with many of our recently added Clearance items having been quickly snapped up. We have also managed some successful sourcing of items for customers with specific requirements and have received some great feedback. We were especially delighted to hear that another bride-to-be will be wearing some of our frockery at her wedding next week.

The return of Ashes to Ashes seems to have fuelled a growing demand for 80s fashion, which – like Marmite – you either love or hate. As we have previously mentioned, what we all agree on here is that the gorgeous Philip Glenister (Gene Hunt) is unmissable!

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Frockery shopping for frugal fashionistas

Wednesday, February 13th, 2008

The credit crunch is taking its toll on household budgets everywhere as the cost of living continues to soar, with upwardly mobile mortgage payments, escalating fuel prices and public transport fares making ever greater demands on all our disposable incomes.  Meanwhile, as the credit card bills continue to roll in as regular reminders of our buy now, pay later festive spending activities, it’s time to take firm financial action if we are to get back on budget. 

In the depths of winter, however, we all need a few little indulgences to help us beat the cold weather blues and there is nothing like a new (or nearly new) fashion look to make us feel like the million dollars we don’t have! Fortunately for frugal fashionistas, The Frockery specialises in the sort of fashion which suits small budgets and, literally, doesn’t cost the earth. We endeavour to bring our customers the very best in pre-loved apparel, from vintage and retro fashion to top quality contemporary labels which have been worn only once or twice or sometimes not at all.  

The Frockery motto is simple: why buy new when it is more fashionable, frugal and eco-friendly to go retro?   

As veteran collectors, buyers and sellers of pre-owned, vintage and retro clothing and accessories from eras gone by, mainly the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, The Frockery team are big fans of the ‘slow fashion’ genre which celebrates sustainability and ethical elegance as opposed to the disposable fast fashion clone culture which dominates today’s high streets.  

London Fashion Week has once again demonstrated that designers are continuing to borrow from the past for inspiration and we can all take a leaf out of their style files. There is no need to spend a fortune on the latest fashion trends when these are so often derived from bygone eras and you can adapt, reinvent and accessorise items from the back of your own wardrobe for next to nothing. Failing that, come and have a browse through The Frockery virtual rails for some affordable vintage fashion – or else just some good old fashioned inspiration!

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Frocks for all eras

Wednesday, January 30th, 2008

It has been a case of ‘frocks around the clock’ since the turn of the year as The Frockery has been coping with an increase in orders from customers new and not-so-new. Vintage and retro party dresses have been in particular demand throughout January and many of our own favourites have found new appreciative homes.

Meanwhile, there is evidence of some serious green resolutions being made and kept by a number of our customers who are moving house, downsizing or just having a good clear-out. This has resulted in The Frockery taking delivery of some fabulous pieces for our catalogue, so look out especially for the arrival of some glam 80s frockery which would have had Joan Collins and Victoria Principal tearing each other’s hair out over back in the good old days of Dynasty and Dallas!

The 80s look certainly seems to be enjoying something of a revival among the younger set, who are once more embracing shoulder pads and over-the-top statement outfits like we all used to (without even a hint of embarrassment!) Frank Usher dresses are endlessly appealing for posh parties and proms and the more colourful and dramatic the better!

Vintage and retro themed parties appear to be gaining in popularity and The Frockery has recently helped dress a newly 40 year old for her 1960s themed birthday party, as well as a newly 50 year old who wanted a memorable 1950s look for her half century celebration. Meanwhile, one of our younger fashionistas stuck to a 1980s theme for her 21st birthday party when she and her friends got fully into the spirit of the era, ably assisted by The Frockery team, a supply of sparkling wine, some retro fashion magazines and an original December 1986 copy of Vogue.

Still on the subject of vintage themed events, we have also just had notice of the dates for this year’s Culzean Autoclassica international heritage motoring event in Ayrshire which will be another great opportunity to dress up in period costume from the 40s, 50s, 60s or 70s to reflect a particular transport era. Billed as Scotland’s equivalent to the Goodwood Revival weekend, it promises to be a fantastic event for all the family and will take place at Culzean Castle, Maybole, Ayrshire from Thursday 21st to Monday 25th August 2008.

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And so that was Christmas!

Saturday, December 29th, 2007

The Frockery team are back to business after two days of turkey (and vegetarian alternative) consumption, but we are already planning to enter into the spirit of Hogmanay and a new year next week. In Scotland we celebrate for longer than those south of the border and so will be closed on New Year’s Day and 2nd January, but customers can of course still place orders at any time.

Christmas for us was a time to stop, relax and recharge the batteries after a busy year with scarcely any respite, especially as the festive season approached. Party frocks in particular were flying off the rails until the last possible posting date (and beyond), but the most sought after item this year was a cute retro reindeer sweater, of which we only had one and which very quickly found a loving new home.

Since we re-opened for business on 27th December, we have had an increase in visitors and our stats tell us that, even on Christmas Day, we had 58 intrepid fashionistas surfing through our frocks! Having braved Glasgow city centre the other day during the sales, we can happily say that online shopping remains our own preferred method of buying goods and services. It’s not only easier on the pocket and the planet – it also helps preserve one’s sanity!

As 2007 draws to a close, we would like to thank our customers for shopping with us. We have got to know some lovely people over this past year and really appreciate their feedback, which tells us that, despite postal strikes and occasional delayed or missing parcels, we have usually managed to get things right.

Our first Frockery fashion challenge proved a great success and we are hoping to repeat it in 2008. We also have a few surprises up our vintage and retro fashion sleeves, so keep dropping by for the latest Frockery news.

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In celebration of the Little Black Dress (LBD)

Friday, November 30th, 2007

Here at The Frockery we just love the classic little black dress, and the female members of our team all have one or two classic LBDs in their own wardrobes.

So we were delighted to hear of the new Little Black Dress Exhibition which is to run at Brighton Museum and Art Gallery from December 2007 until 1 June 2008. Not only will it feature couturier and celebrity owned garments, but it will also include exhibits from the wardrobes of local women.

The little black dress – now known universally by that three letter acronym LBD – is a versatile and timeless classic which can be dressed up or down and worn by women of all ages no matter what the occasion. From breakfast at Tiffany’s, through a day at the office and on to the wine bar in the evening, it will never let you down!

The LBD first came to prominence in 1926 when Coco Chanel succeeded in bringing black – previously relegated to funeral attire – into the fashion mainstream with a feminine new creation which was quickly adopted by Vogue and has been celebrated by fashionistas ever since.

The LBD’s appeal is truly universal, and while its various incarnations have made headlines over the decades for fashion icons such as Rita Hayworth, Marilyn Monroe, Audrey Hepburn, Elizabeth Hurley and the late Princess of Wales, its magic somehow manages to make ordinary women look and feel special.

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Size matters

Monday, October 29th, 2007

We have had lots of great customer feedback over the past few weeks (thank you all!) and are now working on a few new ideas to improve The Frockery shopping experience for the many vintage and retro clothing fans out there, as well as for those who are simply looking for pre-owned contemporary pieces that will neither break the bank nor cost the earth.

A ‘search by size’ function is planned, and we have also received requests for a wider selection of ladies clothes which are bigger than a size 14.  Since retro and vintage clothes tend to be on the small, if not tiny, side (as we were all a lot smaller back then) it is often more difficult to source larger sizes from past decades, but we are certainly on the case! Meanwhile, we have a few larger size posh frocks in stock, such as this black and gold glitzy party dress, which is sure to turn heads over the festive season and beyond.

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The Frockery Fifty Quid Fashion Challenge

Tuesday, October 16th, 2007

The Frockery has launched its first Fifty Quid Fashion Challenge in which its website visitors are being asked to put together a stylish look for a given occasion for £50 or less.

Challengers are being invited to submit an entry to one or both of the following categories: an outfit for a office based job interview; a festive party outfit. Entrants are also being asked to state in no more than 20 words why their chosen outfit deserves to win the Frockery Fifty Quid Challenge.

The closing date for completed challenges is 30 November 2007 and the winner of each category will receive goods of their choice from The Frockery website to the value of £50, with one runner up from each category receiving goods to the value of £25.

With the extra financial demands of the festive season now looming, dedicated fashionistas still want to look chic, but preferably without breaking the bank. We hope the Frockery Fifty Quid Fashion Challenge will help more people realise that you can dress for less, yet still stay stylish.

The Frockery offers an affordable and sustainable alternative for style conscious and environmentally aware consumers who neither want to max out their credit cards on expensive designer labels nor settle for same and soulless ‘fast’ fashion.

Recycling fashion makes perfect sense from the point of view of both the planet and the wallet. At The Frockery, we take great pleasure in finding new appreciative owners for pre-loved quality clothing and accessories and we want to remind people that looking stylish need not cost the earth.

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